Pro_Dek
Reged: May 01 2002
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Loc: Seattle
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I've been down for a week because someone gets their jollies sending viruses over the web.I just don't get it? - what's the reward? When you key a scratch in a car at least you get to see the damage it creates. What pleasure is there in pissin people off and not even getting a chance to see their red face?
Now I have to reload all my programs and transfer files from saved files and kiss off everything I didn't save.
See you guys in another week.
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Bob
"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
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Luka
Reged: Apr 25 2002
Posts: 1387
Loc: The great NorthWet
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Bob,
What do you use for an anti-virus ?
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The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. ~Samuel Johnson
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Pro_Dek
Reged: May 01 2002
Posts: 533
Loc: Seattle
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Norton was installed by one of the computer guys that serviced my computer but it hasn't upgraded since January(been ALOT of virus's since then I guess).
I now have Norton 2002 which automaticly upgrades itself now.
This computer stuff is hard enough to figure out without someone throwing a wrench in the works.
I pound nails for a living, not keyboards.
GRRRRRRRRRRRR!
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Bob
"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
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Johnwalker
Reged: Apr 30 2002
Posts: 630
Loc: Australia
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Bob, how did you get it? did you open a attachment or was it some other way.
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Pro_Dek
Reged: May 01 2002
Posts: 533
Loc: Seattle
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John- I have no Idea how I got it? I will not open anything from anyone unless I know them. I realize even that is not safe either.
Here is the virus's I got
1. js exploit
2. back door
3. Clez
Don't ask me what each one does, all I know is I am now having a new computer made and starting all over again.
I am sending this from my wifes computer.
My new computer will be a Pentium4 128meg with a 60 gig hard drive.
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Bob
"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
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Luka
Reged: Apr 25 2002
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JS Exploit can be hidden in an email. You never see it, it just does it's job in the background, without asking permission, or anything.
It's job....
Can be, installing a backdoor, (A trojan horse), that resides on your computer and gives someone else complete remote access to your computer whenever you are online. They can do anything on your computer that you can do. They can read anything, they can delete anything, they can run any program, etc... And they can get any and all financial information. Like your banking info. Your credit card info, etc. (Like maybe a key-logger. Which is used to log every keystroke. They get all your passwords and such, that way.)... anything that has been done on the computer has record somewhere, and they can find and copy that record.
Using a backdoor on your computer, someone can also use your computer to attack someone else. You become a zombie for them. And it ends up looking like the attack came from you, instead of from them. Well, because it DOES come from your computer...
Can also be used to install a virus like the Klez virus that you got. It can make your computer connect to a source for the virus somewhere else on the internet, and download the neccessary files, then it can execute those files. You don't necessarily have to intentionaly download and execute a file anymore. The JS Exploit can do it all in the background without you knowing it.
(BTW: Your computer sent me two emails that contained that Klez virus. And the JS Exploit as well. At first glance they looked like they may have come from someone else, but opening the full header showed that they were "X"-sent from your computer. Don't ask me what that means. LOL All I know is that they were sent from your computer in such a way that it looked like it was sent from somewhere else.)
A JS Exploit can also do something as innocent as direct your computer browser to an online greeting card for you.
I sent you a couple emails explaining some things, and making some recommendations. I didn't keep copies of them, because my AV was going bonkers every time that I got near your emails, or my replies to them. I had to wipe out all the emails, and the replies.
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The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. ~Samuel Johnson
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Pro_Dek
Reged: May 01 2002
Posts: 533
Loc: Seattle
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Wow! Luka- thanks for the detailed information, I'm so sorry if my computer raised Heck with you computer and I hope it didn't mess with all the people on my email list.
Should I send them all a warning?
My new computer will be clean but that doesn't remedy what my old one tried to do.
How do you know so much about computers anyway?
I thought you were the king of water salvation and rejuvenation.
The shaver of dogs and tick remover of cats.....
The story teller of the woods.......
The mountain man with a heart bigger than a mountain.....
a hammer looking for a nail......
an eye for all posts...
a sysop....
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Bob
"Rather be a hammer than a nail"
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Luka
Reged: Apr 25 2002
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Loc: The great NorthWet
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Not to worry, my friend, it didn't bother my computer at all. My AV caught it and dealt with it immediately.
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Yes, you should dig up the entire email list from your old computer, and send a warning to everyone on it. Don't delay, because it could be damaging someone else's computer right now.
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I would suggest that you go to http://www.kasperskylabs.com/ right now, and download Kaspersky's free trial version, and run it on your wife's computer. Also, suggest to everyone on your email list, that they do the same. Norton and Macafee are a joke. Sorry to be so blunt, but it's true. This got past your Norton's, didn't it ? Ask JonC and Mark Cadioli about their experiences with Norton, and how Kaspersky caught what Norton blithely passed over.
When they had problems, they were running Norton. When asked for advice, I suggested that they immediately update their Norton and scan again. The brand new updated Norton found their computers to be clean. I knew they weren't because of an email that I was sent from Mark, and because of some symptoms that JonC described to me. I suggested the same free trial of KAV, and when they ran it, they found the infections on their computers.
(Important note: Download and install the KAV free trial. But before you run it, disable the Norton's or any other AV that you are running. It is not a good thing, to run two AV's at the same time.)
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Exactly so. People need to realize that it is not just their own computer that they need to be concerned about. It is common for people to tell me, "There is nothing on my computer that is worth hacking, infecting, etc". Well, maybe it is ok to be unconcerned about your own machine, and what is on it, but you have to realize that if your machine becomes infected, then from the very first internet connection you make after that, until you take care of the infection..... you are risking everyone else's computers as well.
The person that infected your computer was very likely unaware that they had done so. If they had had a GOOD AV, like KAV, their computer would not have become infected, and if they had not become infected, you would not have become infected. Likewise, if you had had a good one, instead of Norton... you would not have become infected, and you would not be wondering how many others might have become infected after you.
You do not want to become the person who unwittingly passes on a virus or backdoor, or whatever, to others... So, if you aren't going to practice safe hex for yourself, then do it for everyone else that you will have contact with.
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I have learned so much because I am not afraid to be called paranoid. A bit of paranoia is healthy. Letting it control your life is not. This much, most people understand. But most people also overreact to this, and fear showing any paranoia at all. If you talk like I do about what can happen, an awful lot of people quickly write you off as unrealisticaly paranoid. But what I talk about is facts. I have researched and learned what sort of things are possible. I do so, because in knowing what someone may try, I also learn how to defend against that. Maybe no one would ever try it, but why take the chance ?
I have completely lost a computer already. And that was even though I am the paranoid sort I am, and I had been doing what I was able to afford to do. Now, you have lost a computer. .....It may not ever happen to any particular person reading this. But it CAN, and it DOES happen, to some. I'd rather do what I can to keep from being one of those 'some'....
The only stupid question, is the one unasked, for fear of looking stupid. That is true of 'paranoid' questions as well. Don't be paranoid of looking paranoid. Ask the questions, learn, put your new knowledge to use, and then pass on the knowledge.
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You left out, "Tilter at impossible windmills." LOL
I now have one week to finish the structure. I have made good progress, but I am beginning to fear that I will not get it finished in time. I hope that the county guy decides to wait until after labor day weekend to show up. If he shows up early, I will probably not be finished. If he waits, then I have a week, and two weekends. One of them, a long weekend.
I do have hope.
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The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. ~Samuel Johnson
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Newf
Reged: May 01 2002
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Luka...type slower...
I went to that site. They have:
For Home Users
Choose your protection:
Kaspersky? Anti-Virus Lite
Kaspersky? Anti-Virus Personal
Kaspersky? Anti-Virus Personal Pro
How do I find the free trial?
I downloaded kavlite40eng.exe, demo, I forget where I found it. It took about an hr. or more to load.
And because it is a demo, I don't know how or when or anything about it. So before I spend CAN$140.00, how do I know how it works, if it works, and do I want Lite, Pro, or Personal? And at $140.00, I might go back to writing letters. And as Bob said, what kind of warpo does these things? And yes I deep 6ed the AV program I had. So does that download protect my, or do I go find the BIG bucks?
Thanks, in advance
Newf...more stupid than normal!
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[green]Newf
Republic of Cape Breton[/green]
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Luka
Reged: Apr 25 2002
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Newf,
Just downloading the program will not protect your computer. You have to install it.
If you downloaded a version that said demo, then you got the right one. Install it. You will have the full program for 30 days. It will do everything that the program is supposed to do. It just stops working at the end of 30 days. At the end of that 30 days, if you like the program, then you pays yer bucks, and you gets a license. The program will work once again, for the full extent of the license time.
For your use, you only need the lite version. That is what you have already downloaded. Now install it.
When the time comes, this version should cost 40 or 50 dollars.
There are some things that I can walk you through, and some things you have to find your way through on your own. You need to do the installation on your own. Leaving all the settings at default will give you good enough protection, in your email, and everything else. After you have had the program for a while, and have learned it, you will learn to tweak the settings a bit, to customize it for more, or less protection in different areas.
Install it, Newf.
Just find the .exe file that you downloaded, and double click on the filename. Then follow the instructions. Don't try any fancy custom installations for now. Just let it install in the automatic mode.
And congrats on finding and downloading the right one already.
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Newf
Reged: May 01 2002
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Hi Luka...Yeah, I installed it! And yeah, it ate ALL my wife's emails! How cool is that! It found one bad one, and deleted all of them [Her emails are stored on our computer, rather were...LOL...whoops!]
Could find nothing about configuring, running in back ground,etc. We click the icon, a silly looking box pops up, only choice is detect, which we did, and it did, and we deleted...
Am I missing something here...besides a click and a clue?
Signed:
Lost
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[green]Newf
Republic of Cape Breton[/green]
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Luka
Reged: Apr 25 2002
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Look in your program menu. Go to start - programs - kaspersky anti-virus.
There should be things in there for scanning, for the monitor, etc.
Also, that little icon you see in the lower right corner... Right click on that for more options. Dink around with it. Push buttons. Just don't let it apply or accept any changes until you are sure what you are doing.
If you don't have a little icon in the lower right hand corner... reboot your computer. It should show up the next time you reboot or restart the computer. You won't have full-time monitoring until that icon shows up, either.
Well, it's good to get rid of the infected stuff. You may not have had to get rid of ALL her emails, but better safe than sorry, I guess.
And it's good that it was only the emails.
Now, have her get on the horn to everyone whose email address is stored on your computer, and warn them of a possible virus.
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Newf
Reged: May 01 2002
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When I right click on the little icon on the dock [task bar] along the bottom right,all I get is "Unload Kaspersky Anti-Virus Monitor". That is it. No options. No sweet fudge all. Nada. Goose egg. Zilth. SFA.
I think this is a dead parrot!
Other that that, all we can do is uninstall. There are no more options.
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[green]Newf
Republic of Cape Breton[/green]
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Luka
Reged: Apr 25 2002
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Have you rebooted yet ?
Have you looked in the programs area for the other program options for kaspersky ?
Actualy.... Going from memory, what you are describing is exactly what happens when the time trial has ended. Your computer goes on being protected by the monitor, but the options that you have described are the only options available. If you have had this program installed before, (And then uninstalled it.), then your computer has record of that fact. And when you installed it this time, it immediately knew that you had had it installed before, and it has been more than 30 days since the first installation. You only get one 30 day trial.
(The only way around that is to reformat your hard drive, install everything, including windows, from scratch, and then install the KAV again. It will install just like the first time, because the old windows and everything were all wiped out.)
It's not a dead parrot. You give up too easily. It is just a machine, man. It is not smarter than you are. You just have to figure it out.
KAV is, in my opinion, the best anti-virus out there. You can't get a better anti-virus at any cost. I ran it for a long time, with it just exactly the way you describe. I had full coverage, the whole time. I just couldn't do anything more than scan or uninstall. It was worth the cost of the license, to get the options, but even with it the way it is, your machine is covered.
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Newf
Reged: May 01 2002
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Hi Luka...Just did another reboot...it is the same. And this is the first time we have had KAV. Instead of a trial, this may be just a checker to see if you have viruses???
""It's not a dead parrot. You give up too easily. It is just a machine, man. It is not smarter than you are. You just have to figure it out.""
I shall never surrender! Actually I have been playing with these things away tooooo long...'71 with punch cards was my start. I was spoiled for 15 years with Apple, 9 of which were a Mac, and we never saw the sad face! Microsoft and uncle Bill make me crazy!, and like Bob, I just want to pound nails, or plant seeds. Or pound nails AND plant seeds. And drink beer. OK...pound nails, plant seeds and drink beer. And women... but I digress...
Me be thunkin' we'll purchase the darn Lite Thingie, and be done...what?
Thanks for your time
Newf & Kelly
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[green]Newf
Republic of Cape Breton[/green]
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Luka
Reged: Apr 25 2002
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Hmmm, before you do that, lets make sure that you didn't just get some type of checker like you think may be possible.
Ouch !!!
I'm sorry, Newf, they have really changed that website. And apparently their free use policy...
I followed directions through to the correct version.
http://www.kasperskylabs.com/download.html?id=39
At the bottom of the page, I read....
Notice: the current version is for demonstration purposes only; i.e., it is only for checking a computer for virus-presence. In order to "treat" your computer, you must buy a registered product version.
Yowch. they have changed drasticaly. I guess that if you want more options, you do now, have to actualy buy it.
I'll assume that they have changed it because of so many people finding ways around the old way of doing it. Like getting fake 'keys' off the web somewhere. Or formatting and starting over, to make the program think that you have never used it before, etc...
It really is worth the money.
Sorry for the trouble.
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RichBeckman
Reged: May 04 2002
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" Like getting fake 'keys' off the web somewhere. Or formatting and starting over, to make the program
think that you have never used it before, etc... "
Or finding the place in the registry where the program makes note that it has been loaded as of such and such a date. Find that place (not necessarily an easy task) and undo it (assuming you feel comfortable messing with your registry) and you could run the program indefinitely.
Rich Beckman
Edited by RichBeckman (Fri Aug 23 2002 12:22 AM)
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Newf
Reged: May 01 2002
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Luka...no trouble at all.This is kinda what I thought, although I'm never sure when it comes to MS-DOS/ Windows Pain In the..Hehehehehe
Do you think Lite is enough?...does it update all the time, in the back ground?...'Cause that is what we want. We are on dial-up, but still we don't want to pass on or for that matter have a serious attack...
And thanks again for your time...we know you are busy. Kelly says hi...
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[green]Newf
Republic of Cape Breton[/green]
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Newf
Reged: May 01 2002
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Hi Rich!
""assuming you feel comfortable messing with your registry""
Sometimes I don't fell comfortable turning off the computer, fearing it will never boot again!
Thanks anyways...
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[green]Newf
Republic of Cape Breton[/green]
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Luka
Reged: Apr 25 2002
Posts: 1387
Loc: The great NorthWet
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Newf,
Yes, it will automaticaly update.
Go here to check out the things that Lite will do. Don't forget the read the comments other people have made...
http://www.kasperskylabs.com/buyonline.html?info=39
Go here to read what the Personal version will do.
http://www.kasperskylabs.com/buyonline.html?info=25
The lite version costs 20 dollars. The personal version costs 50 dollars. You get just as much protection with the lite version. The only difference is that the personal version gives you more controls. You may be happier with personal, than with lite, because of being able to control more of the settings. But maybe being able to just install it, and let it be, is better. (What you do with the lite version.)
Hi Kelly.
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