calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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Man,
The natives are restless all across the boards. Has me wondering what the administrators might have been thinking when they decided to push this through.
I understand the ad revenue angle and with publishing taking a hit, they are certainly welcome to try things in order to stay afloat.
But to unveil (as has been seen in the cooking, gardening and threads forums) this thing that in itself appears so opposite the usable forum we knew screams ?..........
The oft repeated "it is a changeable platform, we'll be tweeking this in the future" doesn't sound so sensible.
Certainly could have been "tweeked" in advance to at least keep a modicum of user friendliness.
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Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City
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plumber_bob
Reged: Jun 13 2009
Posts: 45
Loc: Kentucky
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It is wild,...kinda ,... right now, but, there are plenty of alternatives.
I gotta question,... now I'm new, and don't know much history,... but since this site was already up,... why haven't more people been over here?
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Jeff_J_Buck
Reged: May 05 2002
Posts: 143
Loc: Pittsburgh PA
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wait till the change happens ... it'll be flooded.
for a while.
Jeff
edited to add ... much like a real bar ... it's dead here 'cause it's dead here. If more people were around ... more people would be around.
Not quite sure why it's never taken off.
Edited by Jeff_J_Buck (Tue Dec 08 2009 09:50 PM)
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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If there was no other place to go, I suppose we'd be jammed like during the purges. But with the Backroom and now BT Classic, those that have a beef with one of us here won't make the effort. And others will go where the action is.
Just one of those anomolies.
But as usual, we'll keep this place open should the need arise.
And what the hell, sometimes the quiet place is enough for me.
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plumber_bob
Reged: Jun 13 2009
Posts: 45
Loc: Kentucky
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>>>"And what the hell, sometimes the quiet place is enough for me.'<<<
I hear ya.
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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plumber_bob
Reged: Jun 13 2009
Posts: 45
Loc: Kentucky
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I am surprised that BT has been down so long.
Not too long ago I was over there and all the forums are down except knots.
It will be ruff for me trying to figure out that new software. I felt like a fish out of water in Cooks Talk, with the new stuff. I'll either learn, or I'll burn I guess! :-)
Heck maybe I'll burn while I learn! hehehe
pb
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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Whelp, I remember the way I fumbled about the last major changeover...........of course I was just a novice computer user............now so much more advanced I think I'll figger it out ok, but the missing things that make sense is the foreboding part.
No tracking of read posts? no problem on an unused site, but with sometimes hundreds of posts in response to an initial thread? To claim later fixing on this one is just plain ignorant.
Email notification? not a deal breaker if when you go on you can activate "unread messages to me". If there isn't the later, there sure should be the former.
more plain ass'd dumb.
Honest to god, that is the most overpowering drag about this-no one seems to care (i.e. the operators, administrators of the site etc).
And it's that don't give a xxxx attitude that got America where it is today.
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plumber_bob
Reged: Jun 13 2009
Posts: 45
Loc: Kentucky
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>>>"Honest to god, that is the most overpowering drag about this-no one seems to care (i.e. the operators, administrators of the site etc).
And it's that don't give a xxxx attitude that got America where it is today."<<<
I'm with ya, on the, "No one seems to care", feeling, and it is frustrating, to say the least. I get that "Second Class Citizen" feeling from them, and the way they are handling this change over.
I am trying very hard to keep a good attitude.
Well, BT is back up! Rick called while I was typing this and told me. Not sure if it's stable tho, I know some had gotten in earlier today, and in short order it crashed on him, and all but the Knots forum went down.
I'm gonna put my boots on before I got back tho!!! :-D
pb
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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I see no badge for the big boy, he get laid off?
Now, I don't know much about alot........
and we've rcvd several "how do I get around this site" msgs from newcomers............
But that FHB situation is so USER UNFRIENDLY that it's going to be so hard to sell ads I hope they got some primo salespeople.
html tags?
Get the hell outta here-I'm a 60 y.o carpenter for gods sake. And yes, I know.............it's easy.
Well if it's so easy, why is there a wysiwyg format?
and why isn't it available on that drupal?
Too advanced or archaic?
But, you see-even I have learned one html
<strong> BITE ME <strong> which should appear over at BT as BITE ME
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Griffin12
Reged: Jun 16 2009
Posts: 11
Loc: Tennessee
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Is it just me or is the BT site just hard on the eyes to read? It just seems a strain to me to get through the posts with all of the seeming clutter. Perhaps it was posted and I just never read it, but why was the format changed in the first place? Cost? I thought it was one of the best ones I had ever seen befor they messed it up.
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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I don't know what to tell you regarding the why. I've heard that with this new system all the content will be google-able, so way more looks directed to it-ad-$'s.
There's some other rumors, but it's seeming more that either they were looking for something their techs could do to enhance their work experience or they just wanted to weed out all the chaf-open it up to a new bunch of "experts".
Hard on the eyes? You bet.
And harder on the head. Navigating, no matter what anyone says that's got more nerd in 'em than me, is not user friendly. To have to scroll up down up down in order to find a response to you is no picnic.
I've noticed all the photos embedded in at least two photo gallery threads are nothing but X's. Further, no attmnt links neither.
That one I sure hope will be corrected.
Sure is something.
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plumber_bob
Reged: Jun 13 2009
Posts: 45
Loc: Kentucky
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I don't know if any of the peer modes have there status anymore. Haven't asked him that one yet.
Weeding through the posts does get old quick, and I hope that changes, but who knows?
Anyway, I hope it gets better.
pb
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GabeMartel
Reged: Dec 09 2009
Posts: 8
Loc: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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Well Guys,
I'm not even going to say goodbye at Breaktime. Been there for so long that I can't even remember the number of years but this last ridiculous change has seen the last of me.
So hi to all the old familiar faces and hello to all the new guys and gals.
Gabe
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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Well look what the cat dragged in.
If nothing else, the change ushered you into the discussion.
How the heck have you been and is this just a brief stop in between fishing and hunting?
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PlumbBill
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 22
Loc: Tacoma Wa
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So as I'm waiting for my tubing cutters to thaw after the bucket they were in filled up with water from my pipe in the attic of my garage froze & burst.
WTF the site is still down.
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plumber_bob
Reged: Jun 13 2009
Posts: 45
Loc: Kentucky
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It's been up and down several times today, it's down now.
What a royal pain in the south end of my north bound self!
pb
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PlumbBill
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 22
Loc: Tacoma Wa
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I haven't even seen the new site yet.
Hey Steve, got a link for the "backroom" ?
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plumber_bob
Reged: Jun 13 2009
Posts: 45
Loc: Kentucky
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Bill,
Here ya go:
http://thewoodshedtavern.com/index.php
Watch yer back over there! ;-)
pb/Steve
oh that was Steve/Bob wasn't it Calvin?
Now I'm confused!
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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Man, that was alot of plumbers.
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G80108
Reged: Nov 30 2006
Posts: 71
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Cal,
Let us know when the Dust settles at the new & improved BT, we might then check it out. The place was getting old & we also passed on going there.
The Star posse was the straw that broke this back. Then add the mix of posters giving info on a builders site who could not find their a$$ with both hands, never worked a day building, but always had something to say!
Glad there is now 3 place to go to other then BT.
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GabeMartel
Reged: Dec 09 2009
Posts: 8
Loc: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
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No, the change to quittin time is permanent. Work is intense til after Christmas, I don't ice fish as a rule and hunting is tapering off.
Gabe
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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You're always welcome, hope we can give you reason to visit.
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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Amazing that all the others access and use is so much easier than the current offering at BT.
Maybe not amazing. Surprising at least.
I've been to a few other forums that had that layout. Not a big problem when the thread holds a half dozen replies. Even a page full of say 20 or so.
But when did BT have such a light exchange? Some questions sure, but the in depth ones-not often.... Add the volume of posts in the myriad of topics and it's overpowering.
Hey, here's an interesting take on it. Use that software, thin out the ranks, add google direction to the site........
Increase new traffic, thin out the regulars............
More Questions, less answers.......
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plumber_bob
Reged: Jun 13 2009
Posts: 45
Loc: Kentucky
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>>>"Man, that was alot of plumbers. "<<<
Yeah, I usually keep them well contained, but here lately it's been hard! hehehe
pb
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Griffin12
Reged: Jun 16 2009
Posts: 11
Loc: Tennessee
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I think you hit the nail on the head with thinning out the ranks and bringing in the newbies. I for one, am about to throw the towel in at BT. I just cannot stand the sight of that mess!
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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I dunno.
After taking a look several times today I'm more deceived than I was the first time I looked in there.
Deceived was the first word that plopped in my head, not sure if it is the one I should use.
But for instance. In advance, we heard the gushy proclamations on how this "new" and "improved" forum would be coming soon............
Not very long in advance by the way.
About long enough to generate a couple hundred posts on what it would mean to the forum-mostly from regulars with a sprinkling of ...........you ever heard of these guys?..........non-regs.
The camp was pretty much divided as you would expect, old guys-no change.........new guy (s) - this current BT is antiquated, hard to use, backward.
Now, that might have been the case when they first changed to Prospero, but not now that we had used it for several yrs. We could follow threads, got notified of replies, picture posting seemed easy, cripes-no problemo's.
So alright, questions are asked and no replies of substance.
No preview, no noth'in.
We started to see the problems as the launch date kept getting moved back. When a link to the Threads Gardening and Cooking groups popped up, we got a first hand look on what was to come.
Admittedly I thought to myself, well-there's always this place in case the bottom drops out. And as usual, we would have been here, door unlocked and chips and peanuts in the bowls.
We should have marketed it better but look what happens. Dino took the dour end in sight and conjured up BT Classic.
What a genious idea! They've had huge numbers over there, then the onslaught of the Cooks and Gardeners! Man, just like a refuge camp on the border.
And what an appropriate place-the same old software-easier than all get out. Instant welcome! Gotta hand it to the old speedo.
And what it shows is that much of the real life of these forums are all about the comraderie, the community. Leftists and those backward Republican conservative right wingers all cojoling around the fire-arm in arm...........man, what a beautiful site.
With mass disaster comes an assembly of the oddest combinations. Way different than what happened here during the couple purges from BT. There was no mass hysteria, just the ejected and their buds. So, what happens? They start up again going at each other. (after a brief bludgeoning of Taunton).
Timing is everything.
And sorry for rambling on. I just had this epiphany and you were the poor bastard I told it to.
Merry Christmas!
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Heck
Reged: Nov 15 2004
Posts: 164
Loc: La La Land
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Cal, you got a link to BT classic?
They killed the magazine years ago, now the forum.
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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Sure buddy, here you go. BT Classic
I feel like a cop in the middle of the intersection........
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Heck
Reged: Nov 15 2004
Posts: 164
Loc: La La Land
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Thanks, Cal.
Looks like I lived through another era...
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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You're welcome buddy.
And as far as era's go......
Equal rights amendment
Earned run avg.
And some Breaktime stuff.
Throw that in with all the rest and it's been thus far a very rewarding life.
Now, if I can just get my batting avg up a couple points..,
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Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City
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plumber_bob
Reged: Jun 13 2009
Posts: 45
Loc: Kentucky
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Here's some handy survival tips, if you wander over to 'Ground Zero'.
Forget the boots, not even hip waders work. You have got to have those chest waders, it's the only way.
Next put on a stupid hat, mines a Bullwinkle hat.
Set an decent sized mirror right beside your monitor when you go over there.
If you follow these simple tips, before you go there, you will be far less likely to blow a gasket while there!
Also, keep you time limited to just a few minutes per visit, to begin with.
I hope this helps some.
pb/steve/bob/I don't know,... I'm confused,... my mind if toast. :-?
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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Well lessee.
I've been desk bound for a couple days..........well, between the desk and outside around the rancho.
I come in, bump the mouse and take a peek. Something I'm hoping happen ...........
didn't.
Still the same layout, same frustrations and the same threads wondering ?
Now, I'm into my pissed mode. There's been no, nada, zip of any communication from those in charge of the changeover.
We get a notice that the Tavern is open. BFD. Another page that don't work well.
Just what's needed.
I'm thinking maybe somebody around the water cooler says...........
"man, those bastards are hot!"
"what pray tell can we do to tone it down?"
"hmmmmmmm, how bout we toss 'em the Tavern?"
"That's it, you sir/ma'am are a genious!"
Not one bit of communication about specific questions. Yay or Nay. Either you can change it or not. I've not looked at the booklet from Drupal but c'mon......
I hadn't put in a Fisher-Paykal Dishwasher drawer either till Thursday. I read the manual.
It works.
If you flip up that thing in there, will it hold wine glasses and keep the stems from breaking?
sure can, that's what it says here in the manual.
Admittedly I know didley about programing. Couldn't do it if my life depended on it. Crap, can barely make BOLD text overthere.
But I also can speak a mild version of the kings english.
And that's what there seems to be a lack of.
And what's really curling my hair is the lack of response to my request for a dialog on ideas to Permanently Honor our buddy and longtime Breaktime Master of Ceremonies-REZ.
Not one peep, yes or no.
Damn man, I'm more frustrated now than I was dealing with those multiple hook bras back in the early 60's.
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Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City
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plumber_bob
Reged: Jun 13 2009
Posts: 45
Loc: Kentucky
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Calvin,
>>>"Damn man, I'm more frustrated now than I was dealing with those multiple hook bras back in the early 60's."<<<
I know what ya mean! The frustration is so thick on every forum I go to, (you know, the 4 I mean),that I'm scarred to light a smoke, of any kind, for fear of a blast. hehehe
I have no good news, or spirit lifting advice to give you, I wish I did.
Right now you have as much of a chance of actually getting Rez-ponse from the PTB, as you do, smelling a mouse fart in a whirl wind! They respond to a very select few, it seems.
I'm hoping that next week will be better, but I'm not holding my breath.
Now Grant found a way to get a quick response! But I wouldn't recommend that! hehehe
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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The posting sabatical is coming up to it's end. Stands to reason I'd be notified of a reply from Ed on the morning after it started. Be interesting to see if he's finally answered directly to a question I've posed.
Blue's been gagged over at BTC. Sides drawn, opinions given. Heck, he's even birthed a new site in response.
Been some pretty seething remarks made in the backroom. Man, some of the stuff folks can come up with. The separation from real public interaction just doesn't change.
RJW continues to be the controversial figure, even in a humanitarian effort.
And this place just plods along, now seemingly un-needed as a last resort.
Sort of like deja vu, yet different.
So, how's it go'in with you?
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Gunner
Reged: May 02 2002
Posts: 143
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I had a big long diatrade written up and erased it. We don't need yet another stupid essay on what went wrong.
Maybe we are just to clingy.
PS The whole Bob Walker incident summed up what a bunch of assholes we really hang out with. The guy asked for a donation and it blew up into something totaly else. And it was all for the entertainment of a few guys that are social cripples. F em.
Love: Gunner
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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Hey, the long diatribe is fine-it has it's place and purpose. Afterall, that's what the internet is/has become,(besides the obvious). A place for opinion. Similar to the letters to the editor page in a paper. It's as anonymous as you make it and can be very telling of the mind of the writer.
Now with editorial control you usually don't read letters written like the ones we seem too familiar with on the forums. I don't seem to remember any first amendment challenges in papers, tho could certainly be wrong about that. So what's the hubbub when those in charge of a forum try to maintain a modicum of class by commenting on a post to the writer or eventually to jerking that post?
It is a fine line between free speech and editorial control. While it would be fine to lean to the former and rely on the writer to pen it appropriately, that don't seem to happen near often enough.
As to certain posters online persona........mama mia is that a warped topic. Too many seemingly want a freeforall forum, yet the same call for one poster's head when he or she "bothers" them with their opinion.
It all boils down to ..........
So there you go, my own diatribe. Much ado about nothing, to quote a guy that could right pretty well. My hope is the friendships that were formed because of BT will continue, whether or not the forum returns. Pity there won't be new ones if it doesn't.
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Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City
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Gunner
Reged: May 02 2002
Posts: 143
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Word.
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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Another month has gone by.
Two earthquakes.
As much movement in congress as there's been on making BT a usable forum.
So, we'll be visiting the Gen. Butler State Park in June. Know anything about that area?
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Gunner
Reged: May 02 2002
Posts: 143
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I have no comment on the new forum anymore. Doesn't get heard anyway. LOL
I know where General Butler park is I've never been there. What are you going there for?
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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Joyce and her two girlfriends pulled over there on the way back from Nashville this January. We've been thinking of a place to meet my daughter down that way for one of our camping vacations that we and several families do every summer.
They drove by a couple of cottages, asked about them.....
Evidently that's where we'll be for a few days in June.
Just wondered if you had any hot tips for the area.
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Gunner
Reged: May 02 2002
Posts: 143
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Sorry never been there. That's probably close to half way to Nashville too.
I have had some experiance with Mammoth Cave national park. Very cool place. Cave tours of all types, for all types.
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2390
Loc: NW Ohio
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We usually don't venture too far from the camp. However, we do like to imbibe at some fun local watering hole.
Do you have a dry county map? Maybe give me a heads up on imbibement .
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Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City
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Gunner
Reged: May 02 2002
Posts: 143
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I'll see what I can do.
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