Quittintime: Invitation: Your BT/Tavern questions answered

Mike,

That was undoubtedly part of the problem. JP's email box was apparently constantly full. How can you NOT notice that, when it is your responsibility to deal with it ?

And I am sure it was the cause of great frustration. Which added to, and might have led to a more harsh reaction to, the real problem.

The real problem being the way the tavern got, there at the end.

You said in the tavern thread here at QT, and I agree... I don't understand how ANYone can think that sort of behaviour was/is acceptable.

My hopes...

I hope the majority of those booted, are let back in.

I hope that some of those booted, stay booted.

I would like to see a tavern that is accessible by all. I think that is a good idea. And the only way that can happen is if those who created the problems in the first place, are not allowed to create the problems again.

I like JP's suggestion that people be given a warning, or the boot. Period.

I think that should be applied constistantly, and quickly.

Explanations of 'offenses'... This is another part of why the email boxes were overflowing.

A warning, is enough of an explanation. The person given the warning knows.

No public explanation is necessary. Though sometimes is warranted.

Lookit, one of the biggest frustrations to being a mod there... Once in a blue moon, when someone is told of their offense, they accept it, and go on with life.

All the rest of the time, if an explanation is given, there is this blizzard created, of emails and posts, public and private, in which every person and their plumber has to pick at this word, poke at that nit, tell everyone how they do or do not agree with either nit or word, choose sides, take up arms, call it unfair, whatever....

Aaaarghh !!! Act like adults.

If you are told that you crossed the line, spend your energy figuring out how you got there. Not defending your right to be there.

And it isn't everyone else in the forum universe's business whether they think it was 'fair' or whether they agree with it, etc...

It's good that the offense be generally known, so others do not do the same. But it never stops at that. It always has to be this big frikken debate that turns to war and a climb to the ramparts ! No matter how vile or innocuous the offense. Every time !

Were I them, I would have stopped giving explanations long ago. Other than to write up a few standard emails saying something about the person was banned for breaking the rules, or this is a warning, stop pushing the lines. Etc.

Anyone smart enough to post, is smart enough to figure out what it was they posted, that caused them to get the warning or the ban.

The most that should happen at that point, if they truly can't figure it out, is to give them reference to the post that caused the warning. Once you know the post... rub a couple brain cells together and figure it out for yourself. Don't expect to be bottle fed and have every frikken word explained twelve different ways...

If you told someone to go shoot themselves in a post... You are given a reference to that post... And you can't figure out that telling someone to go shoot themselves is not acceptable behaviour, then you don't belong in the community.

If you immediately climb to the ramparts to say telling them to go shoot themselves was not so bad, you should be allowed to say that, it was just an opinion, they deserved it, they should be adult enough to ignore the statement, etc.. then you do not belong in the community. (I do agree that they should be adult enough to ignore the statement. And you should be adult enough not to MAKE the statement.)

In this example... NOT telling someone to go shoot themselves, is part and parcel to being a member of the community. If you don't like that, and/or you don't like being told you can't say that, then you don't like being a part of the community, and you don't belong.

And if a warning isn't enough, you deserve the ban.

Edited because I am too much of an idiot to figure out UBB code, the first time through. LOL

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The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. ~Samuel Johnson

Edited by Luka (Thu Dec 04 2008 09:48 AM)