Boss_Hog
Reged: Mar 24 2005
Posts: 76
Loc: Carlinville, Illinois
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O.K. - I'll take CU's word for it that you're legit.
You already know the questions well enough, so I won't bother repeating them.
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Heck
Reged: Nov 15 2004
Posts: 164
Loc: La La Land
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What I'm hoping for here is an honest dialogue that doesn't turn into a personal attack flame war. I want to really know what Taunton is planning for the forums down the road, and if there is a desire to have industry professionals and other quality contributors participate.
One question I have is why is BT treated differently than the other forums under Taunton's banner as it comes to leeway for posting and the censoring of certain words.
(Don't get me started on the banner)
Would have addressed to "ALL" if I could.
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SquarePeg
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 48
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JP,
Thanks for coming here. There's lots of questions and a hopefully some negotiating to be done on both sides. Your email indicated that you would be willing to do some talking here and clear the air a bit. Thank you for that. The lack of communication has been frustrating for all and I think has compounded the pushback.
I, for one, would be interesting in a post from you lining out what is and is not allowed on BT. With some clear go-forward guidelines, I'm hoping things can get kicked off of high center and get back to something that people can live with.
First and foremost is porn. There have been several direct links to porn and that is an obvious NO No. What else?
If people know the boundaries, then moderation gets a bunch easier and there's no hard feelings when the mods take action.
Could you also take a minute to lay out your vision of the go forward strategy for BT. If the eventual plan is to shut down BT or the Tavern for good, we may as well know it now.
I think that there are many here who are interesting in a productive and postive move forward.
Is there any chance of getting two things to happen:
1) restoring the handles of the people that were banned that were good posters and about which there's a general feeling of "unfaired upon". If we can agree on a short list, could you see your way clear to reinstate them?
2) opening up the tavern to new posters. with no new blood, it will certainly die a slow and painful death. The problem with that is that the topics will spill back onto the main board, as they are inevitable.
Lastly, what would like to see FROM US? Lay it out and I bet we can get some agreement.
Thanks,
SquarePeg
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Luka
Reged: Apr 25 2002
Posts: 1383
Loc: The great NorthWet
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It is the real JP from Taunton.
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Luka
Reged: Apr 25 2002
Posts: 1383
Loc: The great NorthWet
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Quote:
What I'm hoping for here is an honest dialogue that doesn't turn into a personal attack flame war.
Exactly what I want to see, as well.
To all:
I can moderate with a heavy hand, or a light one. Don't MAKE me come over there ! 
I will not stand for personal attacks in this thread.
And don't nit-pik with me. I don't care what your own interpretation of the word attack, or personal, is... If I think you are attacking, or picking, or even looking crooked, you'll be out of here faster than you came in.
JP has put his neck out, to come here.
He is showing goodwill. Show some in return.
If you just want to vent, take it elsewhere. This is an opportunity to communicate. Not to denigrate.
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The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good. ~Samuel Johnson
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CAGIV
Reged: Jan 02 2003
Posts: 30
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JP,
I appreciate you coming here in an attempt to open communication. I'll save any questions I have until you're done answering the rest.
Neil
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bobby
Reged: Nov 21 2008
Posts: 31
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Thank you for responding , I would like to ask{bobby shuffing his feet lookin contrite} for this Christmas , A pardon for the people banned,If this cannot be done i would like a..."Red Ryder carbine-action, two hundred shot Range Model air rifle with a compass in the stock and a thing which tells time", OK maybe your not the guy to ask but i cant get on BT to ask WALTER
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CU2
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 121
Loc: The burning tundra
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but i cant get on BT to ask WALTER
Are you assuming Walter will let you sit in his lap?
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PIFFIN
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 94
Loc: Island in Maine
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This is to everyone. And J-PV too
One of the things everybody complained about in the past couple months as things went bad and worse is that the enforcement and moderation was very unevenly done. This was compounded by the fact that almost nobody received any answers to emails questioning, "What did I do wrong?"
here is a great chance to ask and to recieve - not to back up and hash over every slight and wound, but to clarify what is the intent and the rules, and how will it be enforced.
To bann one person the first time they step over the line or barely do so, while others get away with the same or worse multiple times confuses all of us. That frustration then boils over in ways that is bad for the forums.
Time to man-up and put the bruised ego in a bucket someplace and say it is time we can behave like professionals, if not gentlemen.
and JP - you might consider after detailing some things as requested about rules, a blanket pardon for members caught up in the sweep as a sign of goodwill, along with a warning to those who persist in acting like trolls while complaining overmuch about their own bruised egos, that as Mike Smith suggested, THEY might be recognized as the source of the problem and likewise banned again too.
From myself, I am sorry for my own acts stepping over the line and acting ugly. I really have been working to correct that.
It really doesn't hurt at all to practice some humility.
Not at all.
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bobby
Reged: Nov 21 2008
Posts: 31
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I wont sit on his lap but i will put out cookies and a cold grasshopper for him if he comes down the chimmny
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john7g
Reged: Mar 29 2008
Posts: 15
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you'll shoot your eye out
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polcat11
Reged: Dec 03 2008
Posts: 23
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I am looking forward to the dialog, and if you say it's the real deal I believe you, but really Luka do we need all this warning on how to act?,
That stuff puts a decidedly bad taste in my mouth. We are adults here and can police ourselves without this continual I'm the boss routine.
If someone shows disrespect I'm sure the next post will tell the guy or gal to lighten up. Everybody knows your the boss in this place.
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polcat11
Reged: Dec 03 2008
Posts: 23
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Yes...Piffin
I agree with you. i think this will be good for both side3s. Whens the dialog begin?
By the way......I sent an e-mail to J-P and he returned one. So that gives him a huge lift in my world.
Edited by polcat11 (Wed Dec 03 2008 03:11 PM)
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john7g
Reged: Mar 29 2008
Posts: 15
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let's see how FHB WEB responds. I'm a bit suspicious.
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Boss_Hog
Reged: Mar 24 2005
Posts: 76
Loc: Carlinville, Illinois
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We are adults here and can police ourselves.....
Oh sure. Look how well that worked in the main "Tavern refugee" thread.
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polcat11
Reged: Dec 03 2008
Posts: 23
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I don't see how he could be gaming us by using the e-mail addy he did. I think it's the man.......
and I really din't mind if he KIAs the whole deal.....just wanna hear it from his lips........
it's like my last girl friend....she just wouldn't answer the phone......much nicer to hear her say look you are an ugly jerk beat it.
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polcat11
Reged: Dec 03 2008
Posts: 23
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yeah, but that was atime to vent..this is a time to listen.
That was a time of anger....this is a time to find some peace.
If that can't happen, then JP is gonna prove he was right all along.
It's up to us . . . who else?
A guy goes over the edge we all jump in his junk......easy.
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john7g
Reged: Mar 29 2008
Posts: 15
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OK, here's the question. As an employee/representative of FHB JP has certain rules to follow. When I was an employee of a large comapny (as big as 75k employees one time) they basically had a gag order on us, no speaking to the press about anything. They had a hired pro for that. My bet is Taunton would have the same thing, especially when they have a Brand Image to protect (which is debatable as the mag has morphed since it's inception).
Why can the 'real' Jean Paul speak here and not on FHB's site? There's enough of us posting the link to Quittintime that there's no secrecy here. If FHB/Taunton condones him speaking here then why not through their own site?
Given enough time and interest I bet I could find a way to use your e-mail (if I knew it) to sign up here.
I hope I'm wrong and it is the real J-P but I'll keep my skepticism.
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Dino
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 6
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Neil--I told ya he wasn't the real black hat in this Spaghetti Western....
(TO ALL: Not that anyone should need another vote of confidence after Luka's and Grant's, but FWIW I can also confirm this thread was started by the real J.P.)
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SquarePeg
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 48
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Me too. He returned an email saying he'd "open up communication" minutes before this thread went up.
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