remember
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 42
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>Let's just say we move it over here.
Best idea so far.
This place is mostly outcasts from a musician's forum I hang out in. They have a rather unique approach to moderation - everybody is a mod.
http://www.liveruckus.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=2
-------------------- - Mike Rooney
Mon Coeur S'ouvre A Ta Voix
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Mistah_T
Reged: May 19 2002
Posts: 135
Loc: Elmira, NY
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You bums and Bummettes can't hide from ME!!!
Well I agree that BT has gotten ridiculous lately.
I see it as a continuing trend on Taunton/Lowes (that never gets old!) to cater to the DIY market and the almighty $$$ they bring ...
but they are being shortsighted because while the DIY may bring in the bread, it is the Pros that bring the BUTTER!!
as stale as JLConline is at least they recognize that professionals in this line of work are being assaulted from all sides.
Its all about $$
the rest is politics and bullspit
TPTB want us to respect "their" site rules, but they need to show a little bit of mutual respect back
or at least some fake sincerity...
I don't have the time or energy to fight the fight the way that will have a chance of winning, but I will join a boycott and do what I can to piss in their cornflakes if needs be...
Maybe if we invite the mods over here to have an off the record discussion of what happened and why they could give us the benefit of at least explaining ,or attempting to explain their motives.
-T
-------------------- Do NOT try this at home!!
I am a trained Professional!
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2388
Loc: NW Ohio
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lets just move it over here .
Great.
Remember that sign when you can't go any further down that dead end dirt road?
NO DUMPING!
-------------------- Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City
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Mistah_T
Reged: May 19 2002
Posts: 135
Loc: Elmira, NY
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I bet they (TPTB) will not like the idea of a link to a separate Tavern site that has no financial benefit to them.
they are only concerned about their bottom line.
If it means that the tavern goes by by then they will not even think about looking back.
until the $$$ slow down...
If there is ONE thing the Righties here(there) have taught me is that :
First there are the laws of $$$$
everything else is just opinion
apologies to Neil deGrasse Tyson
-------------------- Do NOT try this at home!!
I am a trained Professional!
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mmoogie
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 2
Loc: Westford, NY
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>>truth be told, the Tavern lately had gotten so bad that I was in a mood that I did not give a flyin F*** whether I got banned or not. <<
I think that's indicative of the problem they are trying to fix in their ham-handed way. Negativity breeds more of the same. The air had gotten pretty toxic in there.
I think they have been flailing in trying to deal with it. Someone higher up the ladder clearly just said "zero tolerance" starting now.
I also think we overestimate how dependent BT is on the tavern regulars. There are many more posters who never go near the tavern. I really don't consider myself a regular poster...tavern or otherwise...I'm more of a lurker of late.
I've got to say, with the tavern all quiet, I find myself in the construction threads more in this past week. I think the tavern has been sucking way to much energy out of a lot of us that would be more productively spent elsewhere.
So where am I going with this reply? I don't know. I think if a reasonable quiet boycott would help get the regulars re-instated with the understanding that the rules are going to be a lot more firmly enforced, that would be a good thing for everyone. I don't think all-out war would benefit anyone.
Steve
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JHOLE
Reged: Nov 08 2008
Posts: 258
Loc: Oregon. Ohio
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We don't need their link.
If need be, the new Tav could be strategically referenced in BT posts now and then for any new people who would be interested.
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PIFFIN
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 94
Loc: Island in Maine
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"So where am I going with this reply?"
Just amusing us with your musings?
But they are mostly right on track. Time for a cooling off period.
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Excellence is its own reward!
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2388
Loc: NW Ohio
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Here's an important post by Stan some of you might miss:
General Discussion - DeWalt Top17 contest...17 days left Subscribe From: StanFoster Nov-7 8:46 pm To: ALL (1 of 5) 112589.1 I have just 17 days to complete my stair project in the DeWalt contest. Next week I MUST set both stairways...followed by bending up and installing all the curved handrail going from the basement floor...to the main foyer....level curved railing in the foyer connecting to the main stairway...and then on up to the 2nd floor. I have to then layout and drill all this rail for the iron balusters. I do not apply the finish to the stairs...so I am at the mercy of my stainman and painter to get the stairs done in time for me to have 2 full days to install all the iron balusters by the 24th of this month. YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am on track.....I will be asking each and everyone here to register to vote once a day from Nov. 25 thru Dec. 15th. Then just vote as often as you can for whatever of the 17 projects you feel deserves first place.
Thats all I ask....and I will have no regrets even if I end up in 17th place. I have been burning the adrenalin off from 5:30 a.m till 5 p.m on this contest and the other stairways I have going.
I do not ever keep a schedule like this...but I am enjoying this so much...I figure I can handle 6 weeks of this.
You can check the progress of all 17 at www.dewalt.com/Top17 Let me put my campaign hat on and promise you all free gas for a year for your vote. ha
Thanks
Stan
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited 11/7/2008 8:46 pm ET by StanFoster Options Reply
-------------------- Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City
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DarylFerguson
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 29
Loc: Cape Breton Canada
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J...
Great idea.
But can I ban some people first?
LOL!
No...I really do think that is a great idea. It's why this form was started in '02. That, and the "new" format sucked.
But I really don't think that Taunton cares ...one way or the other. My guess is that the Tav will be gone very soon.
And really...so what...
Life does indeed go on. And as Paul says ...the dog will have a better time too.
This crap just goes on and on and on.
Peace
Newf
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FatRoman
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 6
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Hey Andy,
Thanks for the link here. Good to see you back in action.
Per the boycott, I'd be inclined to believe that a single letter delivered to Taunton, and signed by those here (banned and free) would be more persuasive than a silent boycott.
Of course that depends on if you have a group that's even interested in playing ball over there any more.
There's been a lot of junk over there lately, but the admins haven't handled the process well at all. Baby with the bath water and all that. I'd rather be somewhere that I can choose to ignore the nonsense than have it removed by someone else.
I told Calvin I'd be willing to lend my assistance on the forum work here.
Best, Steve
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dieselpig
Reged: Nov 17 2003
Posts: 2
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Hi all.... long time, no chat with most of you. After JHole's email last night I've sorta got myself up to speed on what happened. As usual... I have a few thoughts on the matter... worth just about what you paid for them.
1. I'd be willing to bet that you (we) are all currently lieing in the bed we made for ourselves. Like it or not.
2. I'm not seeing a whole lot of remorse, regret, etc. for blatantly violating BT's terms of service. Look, I've been there... I'm no saint and have indulged in more than my fair share of name calling and personal attacks... albeit not in political threads. BUT... the rules are the rules. Can't forget that we're guests there. I see whole lot of blame being passed onto the mods.... and very little being swallowed by 'our side' as a whole. It always takes two to tango kitty cats.
3. Suppose "the Tavern" was a real tavern for a minute. And you've been occupying that bar stool down the end every night for the past ten years. The place has become a community to you. Your friends are there. Your confidants are there. Your life (to some extent) revolves around that community. Do you really think that if you started becoming a total nuisance to other patrons and blatantly violated the rules that you wouldn't (sooner or later) get tossed on your ear?
I see a whole lot of "entitlement" in this thread and very little "accountability" for what has happened. My best guess.... most got exactly what they deserved and probably more second chances then they're even aware of. Like it or not, it's Taunton's forum and they make the rules. You don't get special privileges for "time in grade" over there. You can accept that you're just another bozo on the bus and basically shut the F up and get in line..... or you can throw stones, act indignant, and ultimately watch from the window.
As far as a boycott.... I'll support you all and play along. But I think it's a total waste of time. They don't give a S, plain and simple. Have you read the magazine lately? Pick up a recent copy.....it should answer most of your questions about whether or not the opinion of most of us matters to them. The Wild West days of the internet are over.... roll with it.... or get rolled over.
Listen to Mike Smith. He's right an awful lot of the time. Cooler heads prevail. Let it cool down a bit, swallow your pride, admit your part in the debacle, and ask for permission to have the PRIVILEGE of posting on BT reinstated. Or don't. That's your choice... ain't America grand?
Sorry about the atrocious spelling. I think I even spelled atrocious wrong. Twice now. Oh well... y'all get the point. Hope I don't sound like too much of a dick.... just calling it like I see it. Probably making myself about as popular as ever.
I know it's easy to start to think you're special just cause you've been there a long time or post a whole lot. But the truth is, you aren't. And neither am I. We're all just bozos on the bus. We need to get over ourselves, realize our part in the situation, and move on. If they let you back on eventually, learn from it, and mind your matters and respect others in the future. If they don't let you back on.... learn from it... and realize what your temper, ego, and/or sharp tongue has cost you. And always be smart enough to not make the same mistake twice.
You wanna be right? Or you wanna be (fill in the blank)? Married, paid, employed, included, accepted, loved, etc.
Best, diesel
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dovetail
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 9
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I be here. Thanks to those who emailed me.
Thinking on the problem with the Mods. Just thoughts.
Individually I know I am not important to Taunton , cept maybe if I drop my subscription to their mag, and even that is just a minor annoyance if they can gain the control and direction of the forums in the manner they see fit.
Stop posting at BT and there will always be some other individual who knows more than I about any given subject matter to who will replace me. Posting there is 1/2 ego gratification, 1/2 desire to help on my part. Problem from their side it is 1/2 ego about not losing control of their site and 1/2 knowledge that those banned simply do not make up enough of a $ base to really worry about. (Gotta admit they warned us all) More than a few years back they outgrew their need for those who were the actual base of their mag and Bt and can now go on making their $ without those people.
Biggest issues I see: Knowing the attitude of the vast majority (The Lurkers). Without actively involving those individuals the "Banned" and their supporters will simply be ignored. Total lack of dialogue between the people running the site and the long time posters. Possible Solution? Pick one or two spokespersons from among the banned and supporters and try to establish dialogue.
But I am afraid that is gonna be like trying to talk to my ex when she was pissed. Ain't gonna happen.
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frammer53
Reged: Apr 12 2008
Posts: 14
Loc: utica, NY
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Thanks for the link. I would like to tell you that, first I was not banned but am willing to go along with whatever the majority suggests. I think Diesalpig and Mike are right, but like I said I will go along with whatever you would like to do.
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CU2
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 121
Loc: The burning tundra
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Edit: sorry Newf - didn't mean to post this to you. Just getting my feet wet in here.
OK guys, here's my take on this banning deal:
Life's not fair and neither is BT. Boycotting is not gonna do doodly squat. There was a bunch of people there when I arrived and a lot of them are now gone. Some have left and come back. We're all just numbers to them and soon forgotten to all but the people we've met personally and the few others that spend way too much time there. If we become negative numbers rather than positive, we're gonna get booted. It's infinitely more important to us for BT to be the way we want than it is to Taunton. The Woodshed is more than likely just a burr under their saddle as it brings absolutely nothing to their mission. They gave us a sandbox and we pooped in it.
Now they've decided to house train us, but they've lost patience and we've developed really bad habits. They decided to take a couple of us out and shoot 'em to make the rest toe the line. I'm guessing that's the reason for the un-evenhandedness of the banishments. Seems to be working. Buttkickski decided to kill himself rather than letting them do it. The result was the same.
Bosshog doesn't know why he got banned. But they've told us creative spelling will not be tolerated. Maybe Ron didn't get the memo, but I knew to cut it out.
I've not had any quarrels with the Tavern since I figured out how to use the "ignore thread" function. If a thread is started by one of the 10 or so copy and paste artists operating, I just ignore the thread. If there's a pissing match going on thats starting to bore me, I never see it again. I read the paper everyday, but I skip the articles that don't interest me. Same deal.
The main thing that bothers me is the lack of communication about how long you're banned. I'm guessing that has pissed you off more than the actual banning. I'm hoping they do the right thing and contact the banned and let them know their sentence. It's starting to look like Guantanamo Bay.
I've made some good friends at BT and learned an awful lot from some of the people there. But, there's also a few aholes there I could do without dealing with. And the ones I know and love, I'll stay in contact with whether they're at BT or not.
Now, my thoughts on QT: No new blood ever comes here. The last post before this fiasco was in January. Cal has asked me for some pictorials and I'm gonna try to get them worked up to try to draw a few more random viewers. My advice to everyone that got booted is do the same. Since you can't waste time over there right now, quit your bitchin' here and let's be the Little Rascals and put on a show over here. Add some content other than "Taunton did me wrong".
I'm done. I've a pictorial to make up.
Grant
Edited by CU2 (Sun Nov 09 2008 03:06 PM)
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calvin
Reged: Apr 29 2002
Posts: 2388
Loc: NW Ohio
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Thank you and don't forget the pictures-keep 'em in focus.
-------------------- Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City
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CU2
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 121
Loc: The burning tundra
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There's another thing: I hope this is taken as served - constructive criticism.
It may just be me, but I have a hard time navigating this site. I'm sure if I spent more time here, I'd get the feel of it better, but I always end up going someplace I don't want to be and have to find my way back.
A little fatroman magic might be just the ticket.
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brownbagg
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 13
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They dont like me no mo. You know they are reading everything that posted here.
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CU2
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 121
Loc: The burning tundra
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You know they are reading everything that posted here.
I don't think they ever did like any of us. Let 'em read.
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Henley
Reged: Nov 09 2008
Posts: 3
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Hey all, Thanks for the E-mail Andy. Well, It's the people on Breaktime that keep me coming back. Helpful answers and good companionship. Taunton's bottom line and political correctness are meaningless to my life or feelings. So, if a boycott is helpful let me know.
Chuck
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Mistah_T
Reged: May 19 2002
Posts: 135
Loc: Elmira, NY
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I have not read the rules here (imagine that) but maybe you could sneak some nudie pics into the Cu ones....
-------------------- Do NOT try this at home!!
I am a trained Professional!
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